Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2010.05.26 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Brechan Skene on 26/05/2010 12:18:56
Edited by: Brechan Skene on 26/05/2010 12:17:55
To Sniperdoc,
You like real life examples?
 Originally by: Sniperdoc
Edited by: Sniperdoc on 25/05/2010 15:27:52
I do understand that according to CCP this was intended, but it is also illogical.
In the United States, back in the early 1900's when prospectors went to the West to stake their claim on land it was against the law for another prospector to pan on already prospected land.
Here is my real life modern day version
Ok here goes, here is the statement I had previously made. ô Therefore what you are saying is that there is no example of a conflict/ engagement (a mission) occurring consisting of winner of the conflict/ engagement (the player) and a loser of the conflict / engagement (the NPC) and subsequently a third party (the Ninja) turning up later and salvaging the wrecks for profit without permission from either the designated player or NPC of the conflict/engagement.ö
There is a show on Discovery channel called Treasure Quest. The Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc. (OME) is the world leader in the field of deep-ocean shipwreck exploration.Here is their Wikipedia site. I will be using them as the ninja salvager in the example I had previously posted. Odyssey is traded on the NASDAQ Stock Market under the symbol "OMEX".
The wreck that was salvaged is called the "Black Swan". In May 2007, the company announced the largest historic deep-ocean treasure recovery of over 500,000 silver and several hundred gold coins, weighing 17 tons, from a Colonial era site code-named "Black Swan." Spain has claimed rights to the treasure, and the case is currently being litigated in US Federal Court.
In the above example Spain has been designated the role of NPC because they were the loser of the conflict. Spain has claimed that it is the frigate Nuestra Senoara De Las Mercedes.
From the websites of the Nuestra Senora De Las Mercedes it acknowledges that the ship that made the killing blow was from a British Frigate.
Therefore this site acknowledges the winner of the conflict/ engagement (the player)as being the English. At this stage they have not yet made any claims for the items retrieved from the wreck.
For this example we will acknowledge that the ship, the "Black Swan" is actually the Spanish ship that was destroyed by British war ships. However if the ship is proven not to be the ship it is still a good example of the basic mechanics of ninja salvaging.
How does this example affect the way Ninja Salvaging should be handled in this game, especially if we use this real life example as the basis for the mechanic. I will answer some question based on the "Black Swan" scenario.
1. Does the wreck belong to the mission runner 
A: No. Currently there has been no attempt by Britain to make any claim for the treasure that was retrieved from the site.
2. The Ninja should be criminally flagged to the mission runner.
No. See above answer. Also there has been no criminal action been taken by the British Government against the Company or any of its crew. However the Ship and crew was detained by the Spanish Government and later released. But no criminal charges were enforced against the Company or the crew.
3. Does the wreck and whatever is salvageable belongs to the NPC.
A: Maybe, but they have more rights than the mission runner. But that is dependent on court action by the Spanish Government. But it is worth noting that they are the only ones that a currently actively seeking ownership of the items that was recovered from the "Black Swan".
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